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Injectable Treatments: Botox & Filler Injections > Botox Parties: Yay or Nay?

What are your thoughts on Botox Parties?

12.3 | Unregistered CommenterFelize

I have huge reservations about the ethics involved in Botox parties. Often times alcohol is involved, along with peer pressure. I don't think its a good combination. Botox is a drug. People who decide to be injected need to understand the risks and benefits in a safe setting. A party situation doesn't seem to lend to that environment.

I completely agree with M Nielsen. If the Botox was done before any "party" type activities this could be a support for those afraid of needles. I personally would be skeptical. The injection process might suffer due to speed,distraction, and general hoopla.

12.7 | Unregistered Commenterbeedle

In my very personal opinion, for a physician to do this, it is unethical, unprofessional and borderline illegal in some countries.

Mixing alcohol with this is definitely not appropriate.

Mix in peer pressure...... lack of patient confidentiality.... lack of proper medical records...... all for the sake of $$$$ = physicians or nurses deserving license suspension.

12.13 | Unregistered CommenterCharles C.

I stopped having these Botox parties. I used to have a medical doctor come to my spa and do Botox parties and I decided to stop because most of the people didn't want the others to know what they were doing. They asked me to start scheduling appointments instead.

12.15 | Unregistered CommenterLinda

I MUST ADMIT i did a few botox parties about 9 years ago but stopped about 3 years ago because of the time involved. I do not see a major problem provided the procedure is done as close to the office policy as possible and by that I mean everything the same except the patient chair.
I would not allow any alcohol consumption.
i began with a lecture on the product and allowed for questions.
The administration was performed in as private a situation as possible either another room or behind a screen. Since most were good friends they did not seem to be much concern for privacy and often they would want to see their friend get injected. As long as the patient didnt mind neither did I.
a complete history and focused physical was performed in private and consent taken as well as photographs.
Every patient went in to my patient roster just as if they came to the office and a follow up call and visit was made.

I think the problem of lack of informend consent can be an issue if alchol was served and the patient claims to have been intoxicated at the time of consent etc that is why I required the party to be alcohol free.

Other problems reside in your malprctice carrier, these days many will not cover administration out of the medical office.

like anything else its not the party its the professionalism of the medical provider.

12.15 | Unregistered Commentergm

One last thing. I never went to a party where at least one person was either a current office patient or a nurse that I may not have treated but already knew. I think waking into a group of strangers cold be a very difficult situation.

12.15 | Unregistered Commentergm

I have read and agree totally with all of the above. In addition, having a Botox party out of the office does not allow for any cross sales of other products and services. We have had Botox (and other product) events comprised of a handful of people where we discuss these products and services without performing the service that night. It is more like an educational event. Hope this helps.

12.17 | Unregistered Commentermartin b.

I agree with everything you've mentioned. One more thing, malpractice insurance does not cover you if you had a problem.

12.18 | Unregistered Commentered md

That may be very true Ed. I do a lot of malpractice review and it is amazing how many physicians sign up to be " medical directors" or begin administering injectables without notifying their carrier before hand. There are some carriers that will not cover even botox for some specialties forget about suddenly adding on coverage for a medi spa,

12.18 | Unregistered CommenterGM

A terrible idea.It discredits you as a professional. I also wonder if the place you are having it is also part of the liability chain.Also, it's not safe, it's not your familiar suroundings in case someone passes out and they are not on a table, peer pressure,drinking with a medical procedure, lack of confidentiality etc

12.19 | Unregistered CommenterKronberg

I've had patients talk about having Botox done at parties for cash and no tax. So now we have another illegal act to the entire unethical process.

12.23 | Unregistered CommenterLanie S

There are a lot of medical, legal, and practical issues regarding Botox parties. There are also huge HIPAA concerns. Medical waste, patient charting, HIPAA, liability, medical liabilty insurance coverage issues....bottom line....such parties are not a good plan.

01.3 | Unregistered Commenterp Han

A better idea would be to have a special event at your office or spa with non alcoholic refreshments where you can still offer treatment in privacy, no charting or HIPAA issues etc....but you are showcasing your facility, talents, and staff, while showing your patients appreciation with special offers, skin care packages, etc

01.7 | Unregistered CommenterBrigit T

I have heard that Allergan does not approve of practitioners having Botox parties. They feel that Botox is a drug and should be administered as a medical treatment. I recently attended an "open house" at a physician's office where they were offering Botox and dermal filler injections. They had an open buffet with bottles of wine being served. The girls armed with clipboards told me if I decide to have Botox or fillers I should not drink any wine. I was not impressed with this entire "party" approach to these procedures. What about HIPPA? Not much privacy is given to Botox party participants.

01.8 | Unregistered CommenterMela

For once there seems to be consensus regarding a question on this platform. I happen to disagree with the assumption that Botox parties by default violate HIPPA regulations , ethical and medical standards and are not covered by malpractice .
1. The host informs the patients what they are attending. A patient has the right to share any information about their treatment
2 - no alcohol is served
3- informed consent takes place
4 - individual consultation
5- disposal of meds can be done with a sharps dispenser
6 - refreshments are shared
Between friends who know of each others treatments
( and last but no least: equipment for emergencies such as vasovagal reactions, allergic reactions etc, should be at hand )

01.11 | Unregistered CommenterJ.Z.

Just curious J.Z., What kind of table or chair do you inject the patient on? If they get light headed how do you get their head down? Do you lay them on the floor? Does the host or hostess realize they are now the doctor's office and if someone gets hurt, they are partially responsible. If someone gets light headed and falls and hits their head the hostess is part of that liability. Also, I don't think you are supposed to move sharps containers around in your car.They are suppose to be picked up by an approved company to take your medical waste. If you are in a car accident and your sharps container opens you are exposing people to those needles.I think that is part of the OSHA safety rules. I just feel like people that do Botox parties have turned a medical procedure into a tupperware party. Also do they get a legitimate receipt and do you put those payments into your office deposits and do you create an office file and patient chart for them? Does that person know how to reach you if they have a problem with their Botox?

01.13 | Unregistered CommenterKronBerg

My clinic actively promotes Botox parties. We only have them in the clinic, we do them on Sundays with our R.N. and we serve non alcoholic beverages and fun snacks. Our patients bring friends or family and for that they get a discount on the service/product. Party doesn't have to mean in someone's home.

01.15 | Unregistered CommenterK Ilian

I have worked for two physician groups/medical spas that have held events to promote our injection treatment options. I can say that some of the points being made on this thread are based on assumptions.

In my office it looks like this...
A presentation about Botox is given to the group, then:
Patients are taken back to an injection room and given an individual consultation.
They make consent and have a chart. Their treatment is charted.
Sharps are disposed of in a sharps container.
They are charged through the pt software.

How is this any different than if they made an appointment and there were not a few friends chatting, and having refreshments in the waiting room at the same time?

Now if the physician goes to a referring Esthetician's Spa:
A presentation about Botox is given to the group, then:
Patients are taken back to a facial room and given an individual consultation(on an estheticians bed).
They make consent and have a chart. Their treatment is charted.
Sharps are disposed of in a sharps container(which is already there because they do extractions).
They are charged through the pt software.

Again, how is this any different than the injector going there once a week to take patients every 30 minutes that are scheduled by the Esthetician? Except that there are a few friends sitting in the waiting room?

Perhaps a look at HIPPA standards and what it protects are in order. If two patients see each other at the "party" that is not a HIPPA violation any more than two patients running into each other in your waiting room. What goes into the chart is protected by HIPPA. If the patient has concerns about seeing someone they know, they can choose to make an appointment rather than attend an event. If a patient chooses to share what goes on behind the closed door with each other, whether it is in your waiting room or 40 min later on the phone, it is not a HIPPA violation.

Botox parties are definitely not the ideal environment to practice a medical procedure. If a professional can demonstrate all the proper steps are taken to create a professional, safe and appropriate environment in keeping with the standards of medical practice, there is no argument whether it should take place or not. However, I have not been fortunate enough to come across information about a Botox Party that is appropriate. It would be very refreshing to see that happen. The party would not be so fun.

Curious to know from members that offer to do Botox parties to enlighten us with the rationale of doing them other than financial gain or if the practice is not busy enough in their own clinics.

01.18 | Unregistered CommenterCharles

Many women find it beneficial and supportive of each other to attend these parties together while getting their injections, especially if it is their first time. Also, it's kind of a warm feeling to go with someone else that has done it before and knows the right questions to ask.

01.20 | Unregistered CommenterMabel

Allergan has no jurisdiction nor responsibility over what one does with Botox at parties. However, I doubt very much if any health regulatory bodies would allow Botox parties.

01.23 | Unregistered CommenterIPerry

I believe serving alcohol at a physician's practice same time treatments and consultation is offered, is illegal and a reportable offence in most jurisdictions.

01.27 | Unregistered Commenterautumn

J.Z., with all due respect, you may wish to check with your local health authority and malpractice insurance company. Relying on your host to inform potential clients is very unreliable and perhaps not legal nor insurable. As a MD in New York, I am sure you must have documented individual medical histories and your consultation along with a signed written informed consent. I would also assume you have a release of medical information consent on file for these clients as they are discussing their personal medical history in front of the whole party. Are you concerned of any peer pressure for those clients/patients attending the parties? Lastly, you did not mention about filler emergency supplies for ischemia/embolism.

01.28 | Unregistered Commentercrystal r.

What are the common practices regarding taking vitals? I know in many many clinics vitals are even not taken. Naturally, I don't know of any Botox parties where vitals are taken/charted either. I'm curious to know what the thoughts are around this? Obviously a problem occurring where vitals were not taken would surely be considered malpractice. Why is it so commonly overlooked/ skipped?

03.12 | Registered CommenterDaniel P

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